America used to have a strict death penalty. This kept the security of each community. At the same time, people understood reasonable doubt and didn't convict on fear and ignorance so it was impossible to convict an innocent man. Our founding fathers believed that 100 guilty men should be set free before one innocent one was imprisoned. But with hanging being the average sentence for a criminal who wanted to break respectable laws?

Today you have about one innocent man imprisoned for every 20 guilty men imprisoned. We have ignorant laws controlling our every move. Environmentalists work to preserve nature while government is hell bent on selecting parts to make extinct to control "drugs". We have 400,000 people dying from smoking every year and not one case ever for smoking marijuana and yet there are almost 800,000 arrests each year for it. The only thing that is a gateway drug to hard drugs is our drug laws. The safest thing on the planet takes a month to get out of your system but hard drugs will be gone in a long weekend so you can pass that drug test.

I have to pay a doctor for permission to buy antibiotics that I already know I need. The creation of this ignorant state is at the forefront of the takeover of our country. After all, how can an educated free people be taken over. Creating a politically correct atmosphere that ignores the debates from those of freedom. Taking the education system and implementing the no child left behind act and choosing what they will learn. These are all the product of centralizing power into a few hands...eventually those that will abuse that power for themselves or their beliefs will be drawn to it. The more powerful the position...the more it draws them.

We will start to get our country back when we kick the elites out of power, return the power to the state, and start educating our kids to understand our situation.

As for me, I'm not for kicking lawfully elected government officials out of power. I'll just wait for when it's time to vote again - you can consider that lawfully (and peacefully) kicking someone out of power.

As for your question, lawrence153: It's not a "right" for "the people" to kill someone on death row. It's about giving that murderer what they deserve. I personally believe that if a person kills another human being, then that person should die in the same way as their victim did. If a murderer shot and killed a person, then that murderer should be shot and killed too.

The elites are not politicians. They are our politicians bosses. Our constitution grants us the power to rise up against abusive federal government.

The only thing that has a chance of changing anything with voting is for everyone to vote independent. Politicians vote with party leadership, doesn't matter what they tell the folks back home. They don't see them in Washington.

Aside from a few that are there for the people like Ron Paul, government is controlled by the power in this country and it is money. It is nice to see you debating though mach10 and not just ignorantly attacking me. We have all grown through the debates on this site and I hope you keep advancing bud.

In Liberty,
Jason

And one more thing that most ignorantly take for granted. Our founding fathers did NOT believe that voting would ensure the safety of the people from the government. Nor did they believe that the splitting of the judicial, executive, and legislative would provide this. They were more worried about the setup of the Supreme Court as it is hard to remove the pick of a despit. What if we had multiple despits that flooded the Supreme Court with their judges. Activist judges who take on social issues (a place the federal government is forbidden).

You see, the mere form of government in itself cannot safe guard us from despotism.

And murderers are not the only ones on death row. Innocent men reside there as well.

I'm still attacking your arguments, allnaturalhealer; and I still think you subscribe to conspiracy theories on the lunatic fringe. You're also the kind of guy that focuses on "rising up against the abusive federal government" all the time. Your posts are drenched with this rhetoric, and if people disagree you think they're ignorant.

If the people did "rise up" like you want them to, chances are you'd be on the sidelines as a cheerleader and that's it. If the process of "rising up" turned violent, I think you'd definitely be on the sidelines or someplace else that's safe. Meanwhile, I'd probably be dragged into the situation because I have military experience in a combat arms branch - and that's why I say cast votes instead of using ambiguous terms like "rising up." Voting is also in the Constitution. I also know that no form of government is perfect, but we've got the best there is.

Conspiracy theories on the lunatic fringe? Ignorance is a lack of knowledge...everyone has it in one area or another. You talking about me being on the sidelines or chearleading is ignorance at work. You have no idea my training, skills, or experience in any field. Funny you should mention me talking about rising up against abusive federal or central government, thats what our founding fathers did when this "free" country was founded. They knew that any central government would become corrupt in time. Today the Federal Government has more control over the american people than even the Federalists would have allowed.

Any peaceful revolution would turn violent. Aside from the Souths peaceful revolution for independence. The elites always break out the riot squads and para militaries and the revolution isn't peaceful any longer.

I didn't say any form of government was perfect. I said government cannot protect us from despotism. Only the people showing the government that it is still by for and of the people rather than by for and of the establishment would safe guard us from despotism.

When people talk about doing that....they promote conspiracy theories that border on the lunatic fringe. Come on Mach you sound like Fox News trying to slander Ron Paul. Your arguments have no base.

allnaturalhealer, you put your life on the Internet, starting with your website: allnaturalhealer.com. You even put a signature block on your website that says "In Liberty, Jason" which positively identifies you. Looking at other posts here, you give off little clues to what you aren't. You tried to talk about how the government maintains classified information like you knew what you were talking about - so I know your occupation doesn't involve military or some type of government training. Plus, if you worked in the government or military, you wouldn't have a site like allnaturalhealer.com in the first place. Like I said, this is some information you voluntarily give up. I'm careful about what I reveal about myself on the Internet.

Here's the problem with you talking about the Federal government being corrupt. People in this country still have the power to vote people out of office, so what you're saying about rising up against a corrupt government is stupid. Compare that with the past that you're talking about. There is no need for violence now and that's the bottom line, allnaturalhealer; so go find another cause.

Wow, that was a good one, allnaturalhealer. FoxNews trying to slander Ron Paul.... Gee, I have no comeback for that one. Ya got me there.... Whatever will I do?

And as I said. Ignorance at work. You spend all your time assuming you know other people's lives. For you info, I grew up around the military, have quite a bit of training and constant ongoing training. I worked for the Department of Homeland Security. Now you know maybe you need to find another cause, thats all your getting. I deal with facts and information, narrow minded individuals shy away from that, that is fine. Most people I talk to personally feel the same way I do. Have yet to find someone that feels the way you do Mach.

Hmmm...so the government doesn't have classified information? What about the tapes from the plane hitting the pentagon? Its all classified but the one that gave 5 frames. Everyone knows the government keeps information classified.

So noone that works in government or military would have interest in natural health or nutrition? You can do better than that Mach.

Lets review that voting process....Primaries....parties vote on who they want for President. This consists of slandering those that are there for the people and praising those that will expand the ignorance. Hosts do it at the debates and the media does it constantly throughout the elections. What this amounts to is when the media boasts about someone they are there for the establishment, when they are slandered...check them out, they are probly for the people.

By the time the general election comes, Republicrats and Demopublicans have their rule over the country on lock.

We have already been over the fact that the voting system does not ensure the security of our freedom. It is being stripped and your sitting here telling us to just take it....yea right.

My cause is to ensure my kids can live in a free country. Right now they cannot do that. My cause will never change.

Whatever will do? Sounds like the base for your arguments...Whatever. I speak of things as a whole and you want to grab at this and grab at that but you never can put it all together. That is the problem with socialism. It just don't stand up to freedom in a debate.

i think it depends on the situatoin.