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Celebrities And Voters React To The Passing Of Prop 8
Posted November 14, 2008 at 7:23 PM

By Garth Bardsley

 

Election ‘08 marked a dark day for gay rights. Since several states passed ballot initiatives limiting the rights of same-sex couples including Proposition 8 in California protests have erupted from coast to coast. Celebrities have been quite vocal about the issue, from Christina Aguilera telling MTV News, “I think [Prop 8] is discrimination,” to Joe Trohman of Fall Out Boy saying, “It’s interesting how forward-thinking we come off by electing Barack Obama, but then how in the dark we still are by voting ‘yes’ on Prop 8.” Pete Wentz, Whoopi Goldberg, Keith Olbermann and even Spencer Pratt have all weighed in on the issue.

 

The effect that the large African-American voter turnout in California had on the passing of Proposition 8 continues to be debated throughout the media. A report from The Associated Press states that seven in 10 black voters in California supported the prop, along with 52 percent of Latinos. Other reporters and bloggers have been more reticent to indict any one racial group, saying the divide was more generational. The Web site FiveThirtyEight writes, “If nobody over the age of 65 had voted, Prop 8 would have failed by a vote or two.”



MTV News hit the streets in California, talking to African-American and Latino voters who favored Prop 8. Here’s a sampling of what they had to say:

 

“I like to describe myself as a fiscal Democrat and a social conservative,” says Meron Begashawa, a black American. “I find the economy and health care and the war more important than social issues, so I voted for Obama on that, and I voted ‘yes’ on Prop 8.”

 

“I come from a very traditional Hispanic family, so marriage is very sacred to us,” said Nicole Ponton. “It definitely was a difficult vote for me, just knowing that I have friends who will be affected by this vote, but definitely my religion and my family, culture and history came into major play.”

 

Kai Kelley said, “I voted ‘yes’ because I feel like it’s going to affect the kids in some way, and I believe [marriage] should stay tradition, like man and woman.”

 

 


 

 

No doubt in the ensuing days we’ll continue to hear from people in the public eye about the issue (MTV News’ own Kim Stolz will be speaking at a rally in New York City on Saturday, as a part of a nationwide day of protests), but what about you? How do you feel about Proposition 8, and why do you think the vote turned out the way it did?


 
 
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Jessicasviews 282 days ago

I don't like the notion that if your not  w/ us your aganist us. I'm young but I was raised around the gay lifestyle.I rember a time when people who chose to be gay did not want people to know because of the treatment they would get,and I did not like that at all. It hurt me to see people I loved be jugded harshly. I was never ashamed I always told people my beautiful aunt was gay. She was more concerned with who knew than I was. I also made a friend in high school whose mother was gay and people who knew her for years longer than myself did not even know. (turned out her mom knew some of my family) I told her she should not be concered w/ what people would say, she loved her mom and that's matters. After she saw how comfortable I was she became more comfotable. Now w/ that said I do not support being gay. It is a choice and there are people who choose it. I am not God so I can not judge. I do not like the lifestyle being forced on me saying I have to support it. I've NEVER supported it I've only supported the ones I love.Now it's the gay community who is discriminating aganist those who do not follow what they want them to follow. There was destruction of property and violence against those who where not w/ the gay community.Oh how you forget the way you were treated and now to do it to others is shameful.So I leave you w/ this, no one should tell another what to think, just treat people how you would want to be treated.Oh more thing when two people get married it's before God not state, and in numorious places of the bible is is said to be wrong, no where is it said to be right.

TanteNemo 253 days ago

I take offense at the posters use of the term "limiting the rights of same-sex couples".  I believe that "Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.” (Skinner v. Oklahoma, supra, at p. 541.)  However, given the growing apostasy in our nation Measure 8 was merely a measure to protect the rest of us.   


If there was a problem with California's domestic partnership legislation that did not allow same-sex couples the same rights as married couples, then efforts should be made to amend and broaden the scope of domestic partnerships.  No one really cares how consenting adults live their life, or who inherits what from whom.  No one even questions the love that same-sex partners have for one another.  Knock yourselves out.  There's nothing to stop gay couples from creating rules for their own partnerships. 


That doesn't seem to be good enough.  For some reason you want me to be ashamed that I find the lifestyle repulsive.  I'm not ashamed of that.  I'm not ashamed that there is sin in my life and in the world.  I don't want to be judged by man, and I won't judge others or interfere with their life choices if they don't interfere with mine.  But that doesn't see to be enough.  You want me to stop calling homosexual practices a sin.  You want my Pastor to stop preaching against homosexual practices.  You want my children to explore anything they feel without boundaries.  You want me to validate your choices.  That now infringes on my rights and freedoms.


Romans 1:2626Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.


The supporters of same-sex relationships would like us all to believe that this is a civil right that's being denied.  They would have us believe that this is the same as righting the wrongs of slavery or interracial marriage bans.  It is ABSOLUTELY not about any of that, or they would just broaden the scope of the domestic partnership legislation.  I don't think anyone would oppose that.  What I oppose is being forced to support a lifestyle I abhor, and you want to criminalize my right to speak out on the spiritual dangers, the societal degradation and basically my right to be offended by it.


Does my repulsion affect my tolerance of the lifestyle in any way?  It hasn't yet.  I suppose you could pass legislation that equates repulsion and abhorrence with hate.   I should probably also confess that I hate divorce too, will that hatred now be criminalized or am I safe as long as I don't talk about it.  My poor Pastor, will preaching against what we believe to be a sin now be deemed a hate crime?   What about my children, will CPS come and take my children from me, because I don't give them the same options for sexual exploration that gay right activists propose?


I can't imagine changing my mind on this, and considering the outrageous behaviour of gay rights protestors, you may want to just quit while your ahead.  All I ask, is that you leave me alone with my own values and beliefs.  I promise to reciprocate.


 

brettsynthetic 251 days ago

I want to start off by saying to Jessicasviews that homosexuality is not a choice. It, for me personally, is the way I was born. I neither asked for nor chose to be attracted to men and find it offensive for it to be called a choice. To TanteNemo I find it interesting how so many people can quote the Bible for anti-homosexuality uses, but conveniently forget such things as how adulterers and women that lose their virginity before their wedding day are to be stoned to death. Isn't it odd how people can pick and choose things in the Bible that are convenient for their argument? I am not asking for your acceptance or approval, nor do I need it. I simply want the right to legally marry the person I am in love with, regardless of sex.

Re: TanteNemo 251 days ago

Brett, you are 18 years old and there is a whole lot more to sexuality in general and God in particular that you have yet to experience.  I believe that we all struggle between our human and spiritual natures.  You have a long, long life ahead of you and I guarantee you that you are still in the formative stages of the real Brett. 


The choice isn't about who you are, or whom or what you are attracted to.   I don't think we're debating biology or even tolerance for different lifestyles.  We are debating the definition of marriage; civil rights and religious freedoms.  Civil rights when there is no obvious injury to anyone, doesn't trump the other two.   Believers have a right and a duty to protect the moral character of their communities.  Couples who believe that marriage is a holy committment or sacrament, should not be marginalized or criminalized for their beliefs and should be free to speak out; preach and teach what they believe.  It's obviously no longer self evident. 


As I said in my original post, if civil rights was the issue; if fairness was the issue, and the current domestic partnership legislation was lacking, then why not just broaden the scope of that legislation, so you can partner with and have the same legal standing as married couples do?  Why isn't the battle there, with the legislation?  Why must you force the definition of marriage as the issue?   This isn't a tolerance issue, this is a legal change to the definition of marriage.  It's not good for our country to continue to undermine the faith based communities that make us so unique and so strong a people.


And just an FYI, believers still fight, teach and preach against divorce, adultery, premarital sex, fornication, slothfulness, jealousy, etc.  The punishment thing isn't part of church authority anymore.  In America we recognize the authority of a constitutional republic and enjoy the religious freedoms built in to it.

Re: Jessicasviews 233 days ago

So what your saying brettsynthetic is people have no choice in what they do,and people who are vain and won't date someone because they are fat are born that way and just can't help it.Because if it's true for you then they can use the very same arguement.You do choose that lifestyle and you do choose who you want to be w/, so don't make it seem like you have no control over yourself,because you do.You make the choice and live it.Now like I said before I don't hate you for your  CHOICE to be gay,those who serve the Lord don't make those choices, because hate is also a choice, but I shouldn't have to change my belifes to love someone.

Re: brettsynthetic 187 days ago

No, Jessicasviews, I did not choose this lifestyle. I chose to acknowledge the fact I am attracted to men and be true to it. Sure I could lie to myself and everyone around me by being with a woman, now that would be a choice. So, assuming you're heterosexual, when exactly did you make the conscious decision to be attracted to men?

brettsynthetic 248 days ago

I've experienced god. It's a long story but a very powerful one and very close to my heart. I truly respect your beliefs, whether i agree with them or not. It just really hurts to have complete strangers hate you for something over which you have no control. I come from a deeply religious family and have faced alot of problems stemming from my sexuality. As far as this not being a tolerance issue, it actually is as long as people continue to condemn homosexuals and preach against it. It's not a sin, it's love.

Re: Cameo6 171 days ago

Now, first and foremost, I must state that I don't particularly support gay marriage. I'm not uber-religious or anything but to me, as long as a couple has the same basic legal rights in a civil union as in a marriage, I don't get what the big deal is. Of course you should be able to be with the person you love and nobody should condemn you for it, but adding the title of marriage shouldn't be this big of a deal. I mean, there are plenty of straight people who make the decision to not get married. If you truly, truly love a person, how big of a difference is the word 'marriage' really going to make? Not to mention the fact that the concept of marriage only exists as between a man and a woman. Anything else is not a marriage Technically, by definition, a marriage is between a man and a woman.  


 But I have to stress the fact that even though I'm right-leaning politically, I don't hate people who are gay. I don't necessarily agree with the lifestyle or whatever, but of course I'm not going to hate a person because of the way they want to live, as long as they're not hurting anyone, being destructive etc. etc. etc. So I'm not going to condemn you personally for being gay. (I have to emphasize that because whenever I make a statement alluding to my right-wing political ideologies, I'm automatically plastered with stereotypes and people refuse to listen to me, so I guess, in a way, I can sympathize with you on that one. :P )

MichaelleAbraham 247 days ago

I'm sorry, but marrige is just a joke. Wether you're straight or gay, it's a joke. Since the beginning of time, marrige didn't take place because you loved a person, it took place because of business. People didn't get married because they loved each other. They got married because the family needed higher rank or money. Anything "sacred" that used to be in marrige is gone. People get divorced constantly. Nobody cares about how beautiful marrige is supposed to be. I'm not against nor with the idea of gay marrige. I don't think I should be concerned about this or put much though on it. Plain and simple.

FastHellion 162 days ago

We had the same ammendment pass here in Idaho. Mostly out of fear that we would have to recognize such unions that were regognized in other states.

sbjorkquist27 118 days ago

first off i want to start with the comment about a matter of choice. just picture this. you love someone, it doesnt matter who they are male/female, black/white, religious or not. you love them and u want to tell the whole entire world just how much they mean to you, you want to seek their hand in marriage and commit yourself to them for the rest of your life. but wait, someone is coming up to you saying you can't. you can't? why not? you love them, they love you. your both human and both live in the nation founded on freedom. you should be free to do what you want, as long as you are not indangering the lives of those around you.... are you hurting anyone by marring this person? no. so why cant you?


how is it that "straight" people can get married in one state, move to another state, and that new state would recognize the marriage. But if a "gay" couple got married in mass. and had to move (for any reason, jobs, etc.) the new state they moved to wouldn't recognize their marriage. this country was founded on freedom and equality, that doesn't seem very fair, making "gay" couples have to stay in a certain place to remain legally married.. taking away the freedom of living where they want. marrying if they want to. how can you say that something is for only a certain group of people, like men and women getting married. thats like saying that the african americans need to be sent to the back of the bus again. what you cant share the front cause they aren't your color? cause they dont like the gender you like? cause its against YOUR religion. that discrimination at its greatest


you cant say its based on religion. there isn't supposed to be religion in our goverment. everyone is intitled to their own views and own personal beliefs.


honestly, i believe if there is a god he is going to love you no matter what. he isn't going to send someone to hell just because they dont love the right gender. Hes going to send all of the serial killers and rapists who do not have any love in their hearts .. not innocent people whos only crime is loving someone that the world doesnt approve of.


i really dont care what you believe, go ahead whatever you want. If you think gay marriage is wrong then good for you. Just dont take away what other people believe just because its not what you believe. that isnt fair. we are all human and we are all entitled to our believes. and if mine just so happens to be that to people of the same sex can love each other and marry each other.


people honeslty need to stop discriminating so much. WE ARE ALL HUMAN. we should all respect each other, even if we dont necessarliy agree with the other person. We need to be treated equally or else discrimination is never going to end.

mystique101 81 days ago

The topic of homosexuality and same-sex marriage is still a hot topic for most in America. While some same-sex couples are just fighting for the chance to marry a member of the same sex, others are fighting to make sure it never gets legalized. I believe that personally everyone is entitled to their opinion whether for or against it. Truth be told if you are against it, you perhaps grew up with a family or in a society where it was not accepted. If you are for it, you are probably homosexual yourself, have friends and family who are, or have fundamental beliefs that support same-sex marriage. Personally I am all for it. The legalization of same-sex marriages did not bring down other countries across the world who have legalized it, so why would it happen here? Truth is, it probably wouldn't. Perhaps radicals would attempt to strike fear in the hearts of those who support it by commiting some radical hate crime, or doing something crazy. Eventually I believe those radical efforts would fade away, although they would still harbor strong feelings toward it all. It is undoubtedly a slippery-slope fallacy to assume that the legalization of same-sex marriage would somehow lead to the legalization of man and goat, or man and child. There in truth is no rationality to those assumptions, and no comparison of the former and the latter. Again I believe if someone is against same-sex marriage because of religious beliefs, then that is fine that is their belief and they have their reasons to believe that way. However, I do not think that gives anyone who is against it the right to take anything to an extreme same goes for those who support same-sex marriage. In the end, you can't fight hate with hate. All you are doing is promoting a vicious-cycle of hate and discrimination of which the ends never justify the means.